Chris Hedges et Max Blumenthal abordent l'instrumentalisation du meurtre de Charlie Kirk

Voilà comment Mr. Fish illustre une affaire toute récente, par Daniel Mermet / Là-bas si j'y suis, 20.09.2025.

Now, a declining US superpower needs to rationalise its failures - its glaring, monstrous crimes abroad, and economic collapse at home - in similar terms, as a war against homegrown terrorists.

The real terrorism is inflicted by a bipartisan US political establishment that cares only for its own enrichment, and is ready to use whatever violence is needed to protect its position and wealth.

Make no mistake, that means a lot more political violence – precisely from those claiming to be bringing it to an end.

[Derniers paragraphes de Jonathan Cook, Charlie Kirk and his killer were spawned by the same dark soul of US politics, Middle East Eye, 19.09.2025]

Dans l’une de ses dernières interviews, réalisée avec Ben Shapiro, le principal influenceur israélien aux États-Unis, Kirk a une fois de plus tenté de soulever la question de la censure des détracteurs d’Israël.

« Un ami m’a dit, de manière intéressante : « Charlie, d’accord, nous avons riposté contre les médias sur le COVID, sur les confinements, sur l’Ukraine, sur la frontière » », a déclaré Kirk à Shapiro le 9 septembre. « Peut-être devrions-nous également poser la question suivante : les médias présentent-ils totalement la vérité lorsqu’il s’agit d’Israël ? C’est juste une question ! »

Selon un ami de longue date de Kirk, le ressentiment de ce dernier envers Netanyahu et le lobby israélien se propageait au sein du cercle restreint de Trump. En fait, selon eux, le président lui-même était terrifié par la colère de Netanyahu et craignait les conséquences de lui tenir tête.

Max Blumenthal et Anya Parampil, Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer, was ‘frightened’ by pro-Israel forces before death, friends reveal, The Grayzone, 12.09.2025.

Israël, Charlie Kirk et l'instrumentalisation du meurtre (avec Max Blumenthal) | Le rapport Chris Hedges

Max Blumenthal détaille les tensions entre Charlie Kirk et Israël au cours de ses derniers mois, et ce à quoi il faut s'attendre d'une nouvelle ère de répression d'extrême droite en réponse à son assassinat.

CHRIS HEDGES, 15 SEPTEMBRE 2025

L'assassinat de Charlie Kirk marquera probablement le début d'une nouvelle ère de violence politique et de répression aux États-Unis. Depuis que Kirk a été abattu lors d'une conférence à l'Université de l'Utah Valley, des groupes et personnalités d'extrême droite ont exigé une censure massive de tous les discours critiques en ligne dirigés contre lui. Le président Donald Trump a imputé l'attaque à la « gauche radicale » et s'est engagé à poursuivre ceux qu'il juge responsables. Des campagnes massives de doxing ciblant les personnes ayant contextualisé les positions politiques de Kirk ou célébré son assassinat ont entraîné des licenciements dans tout le pays. Dans le chaos qui règne en ligne, les récits entourant l'assassinat de Kirk, issus de reportages incomplets des médias grand public et d'un manque d'analyse claire de la part du FBI, ont alimenté la confusion et l'indignation dans tout le spectre politique.

Max Blumenthal, rédacteur en chef de The Grayzone, rejoint Chris Hedges dans cet épisode du Chris Hedges Report pour analyser les implications de l'assassinat. Il détaille également son dernier article, qui révèle des informations exclusives sur les relations tendues de Kirk avec Israël et les tensions au sein de l'administration Trump.

Le refus de Kirk d'accepter des contributions financières sionistes ainsi que son déconnexion croissante avec Israël « l'ont laissé froid et anxieux, et même, selon les mots de son ami, effrayé », confie Blumenthal à Hedges.

Israel, Charlie Kirk, and the Weaponization of Murder (w/ Max Blumenthal) | The Chris Hedges Report
Max Blumenthal details the tension between Charlie Kirk and Israel in his final months, and what to expect from a new era of right-wing repression in response to his killing
CHRIS HEDGES - SEP 15, 2025
Charlie Kirk’s assassination will likely serve as the crux of a new era of political violence and repression in the United States. In the days since Kirk was shot at a speaking event at Utah Valley University, right-wing groups and figures have demanded mass censorship of all critical online speech directed at Kirk. President Donald Trump has effectively attributed the attack to the “radical left” and vowed to go after those he deems responsible. Mass doxing campaigns targeting people who contextualized Kirk’s politics or celebrated his killing has led to firings across the country.
Amid the online chaos, narratives surrounding Kirk’s assassin, stemming from incomplete reporting from mainstream outlets and a lack of clear analysis by the FBI, have further fueled confusion and outrage across the political spectrum.
Max Blumenthal, editor of The Grayzone, joins host Chris Hedges on this episode of The Chris Hedges Report to analyze the implications of the assassination. He also details his latest article, which reveals exclusive background information on Kirk’s flailing relationship with Israel and tensions within the Trump administration.
Kirk’s refusal to accept Zionist financial contributions as well as his deepening disconnection from Israel “left him feeling cold and anxious and even in the words of the friend, frightened,” Blumenthal tells Hedges.

TRANSCRIPTION (Les erreurs, coquilles, couleurs, liens et contenus entre crochets sont de mon cru) :

Chris Hedges: The assassination of Charlie Kirk presages a new deadly stage in the disintegration of a fractious and highly polarized United States. Political violence, including the murder of Minnesota House of Representatives Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, and the two assassination attempts against Donald Trump seems certain to expand. So does state repression of individuals and groups accused by the far right in the Trump administration of fermenting the hate that led to Kirk's assassination.
Trump blames the "radical left" for Kirk's murder, claiming it is “directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today and it must stop right now”. He vows “to find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our society.” If Trump means what he says, and I suspect he does, we will see the full force of the federal government used to target Trump's opponents and organizations, including the Democratic Party, the media, universities, and advocacy groups, which are already under heavy assault.
More ominously, it will give a green light to far-right vigilante groups to carry out violent attacks against those blamed for polluting America, including Muslims, the LGBTQ community, groups such as Antifa, feminist, liberals, the left, the undocumented, the poor, and people of color.

Joining me to discuss Kirk's assassination, what it means for the United States, and the future of our disintegrating democracy, is Max Blumenthal, editor of The Grayzone, whose most recent article is "Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer, was ‘frightened’ by pro-Israel forces before death, friends reveal," [12.09.2025] which adds, of course, another fascinating twist to this unfolding saga. [Traduit de l’anglais en français par Investig’action, Les révélations d’un ami de Charlie Kirk: L’influenceur avait rejeté le soutien financier de Netanyahou et disait craindre les forces « pro-israéliennes », le 22.09.2025]

So, Max, before we get into the ramifications of this assassination, in terms of civil liberties and repression, let's talk a little bit about the article that you just published about Kirk's alienation or distance from the Zionist lobby.
I know you've been writing about Kirk for some time.

Max Blumenthal: Yeah, I've been writing about him since 2015, three years after he started TPUSA [Turning Point, the group founded by Charlie Kirk is a right-wing political organization that focuses on motivating young people (sic)], which became the largest, most influential conservative youth organization in history.
And at that time, he was at the forefront of a massive infusion of Israel lobby cash into his group through the David Horowitz Freedom Center [l'ancien Center for the Study of Popular Culture, CSPC, une fondation islamophobe d'extrême droite s'attendant à des retours...], which was basically making him the property of Israel in exchange for this sort of Faustian bargain. He was going to be at the top of the conservative youth grassroots or astroturf grassroots.
And so, he could talk about race, immigration, all the social issues, and take the most extreme lines possible, say whatever he wanted as long as he pushed this so-called Judeo-Christian relationship, and constantly talked about the Judeo-Christian roots of the country, and supported Israel, and attacked BDS, the BDS movement, which was growing on campus at the grass, whenever he could.
And so, Charlie Kirk was actually at the forefront of many of the blacklisting operations that have targeted college professors as well as students. He was in the same circles as those who were behind Canary Mission ["Canary Mission documents people and groups that promote hatred of the USA, Israel and Jews on North American college campuses," they say. It is indeed an anonymously run doxing website established in 2014 that publishes the personal information of students, professors, and organizations that it describes as anti-Israel or antisemitic —ce dont les Sionistes vous accusent dès que vous critiquez Israël. Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet and without their consent], which is now being used to target green card holders and visa holders for deportation under Trump.
So, I was covering it early on before anyone had heard about him. He was like a baby-faced activist then, but he was obviously very hardworking, talented, a huge asset for them. And flash forward to… July of this year, Charlie Kirk is the most influential conservative activist, period.
He's on his way to possibly becoming the next president. Almost certainly would have become senator even though he's from Illinois. TPUSA is major, but there's a crisis taking place.
Charlie Kirk is under pressure from his own grassroots on the issue of Israel.
Israel's exerting under Netanyahu so much control on Trump, amid a genocide, that the grassroots have turned against it.
And if you look at recent polling, YouGov polling, Pew polling [Pew Research Center], it all of them show about only 25% of Republicans under 35 support Israel over the Palestinians.
If you actually pay attention to what Nick Fuentes —who's the most influential right-wing America First streamer— says, they're not just upset over Jewish influence. They're not just being anti-Jewish. They're actually upset by the same things that upset us: the deliberate starvation of civilian population unfolding in real time… and then, watching their president just fold to a foreign apartheid state.
And so, this pressure was building within Charlie Kirk's camp, and Charlie Kirk himself was beginning to turn, and it all exploded out in the open at the Student Action Summit, which I believe was in Tampa, Florida in July 2025. And that's where Charlie Kirk brought Tucker Carlson, someone who had already turned on this issue on stage to not only talk about how Jeffrey Epstein was possibly a Mossad agent, but to call for those who had gone and fought for Israel, American Jews who had gone to fought for Israel's military, rather than the US military, to be stripped of their citizenship.
And he called out Bill Ackman, one of the most influential Zionist billionaires in the US, who is a Netanyahu cutout, who had been sort of manipulating and bullying Harvard into submission. His money got Claudine Gay as president out at Harvard.
He mocked Bill Ackman as a financial con artist. He literally called him a scam artist, and questioned where his money came from.
And the crowd was cheering and delighting in this entire spectacle.
Megyn Kelly, from Fox, was calling Jeffrey Epstein a Mossad agent.
Then, Charlie Kirk opened up the floor to a debate on the very issue of Zionism, and brought on an anti-Zionist Jew, a comedian named Dave Smith, to debate a Zionist apparatchik at Newsweek named Joshua Hammer.
And Dave Smith like mopped the floor with him. He's very effective.
He was also talking about human rights abuses, and the crowd was clearly with him. And after this summit, Charlie Kirk was bombarded with furious text messages, phone calls… there may have been meetings as well, very tense meetings as well with his donors, the people who built him up. And they said, "We built you up. We can take all of this away from you, if you don't stop this."
And here… and they… we are laying down the law.
And this offended him, alienated him. He was… not used to being talked to like that, as though he were property, but when you join the firm, you don't get to leave and, at the same time, I was told, by a longtime friend of Charlie Kirk, that he was frightened by the way he was being treated. Basically, a mafia was reading him the Riot Act.

["Charlie was about to lose his last major donor because he refused to ban Tucker Carlson from events. There are A LOT of people shedding crocodile tears. The billionaires must be exposed for the cretins that they are." (Mike Cernovich, x.com, 6:21 p. m. · 13 sept. 2025. Cf. Flopop)]

And he wasn't the only one who was frightened.
I was told that, and the source is someone who knows people in the White House, Donald Trump's frightened. Donald Trump is afraid to defy Netanyahu. He's afraid about what can happen.
And I was told that during one of several of Netanyahu's recent visits to the US —I think he's made four visits this year, which is unprecedented—, listening devices were planted by Israeli agents on the Secret Services emergency response vehicles, Stingray, maybe Stingray devices, some kind of listening device, electronic surveillance device.
This was found by the Secret Service. It was told to the White House. Obviously, the White House kept it under wraps, and this has made people nervous inside the White House and the national security team, and this is not something unprecedented.
Politico, in 2019 [Daniel Lippman, 09/12/2019 05:14 AM EDT: “Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House”], reported —citing three former US officials— that Israel had planted Stingray devices around the White House to spy on Trump's cell phone communications.
Boris Johnson, the former [United Kingdom] PM, wrote in his memoir that Netanyahu went to use his personal toilet and, afterwards, British his personal security team found a listening device in his toilet, like immediately afterwards.
Tony Blair told his own team, "When you go to Israel, do not speak about anything sensitive in government buildings or cars."
So, I don't think I'm being fed a bunch of conspiracy theories here.
And what I reported —based on background sourcing— matches up with the things that Charlie Kirk said in public, that he was being bombarded by what he called “Jewish stakeholders”, meaning his funders, and that he felt that he could not express his own views anymore as an American. And he was starting to move in public.
So, consider the consequence of a figure like Charlie Kirk, who's on his way to basically inheriting the mantle of Trumpism at some point, and who controls a large segment of that movement, taking the base away from the “Judeo-Christian” relationship, taking it away from rock-solid support for Israel —as Israel is in a seven front war carrying out genocide. And Netanyahu believes that he has this short window of time to basically carry out regime change in Iran. It would have been catastrophic.
And I also learned from multiple sources that Charlie Kirk actually took it upon himself personally to go to the White House and personally lobby Trump against bombing Iran, back in June, and that he was shut down: Trump angrily rebuked him, because Trump is simply afraid. He's completely controlled at this point by Netanyahu.
So, am I saying that Israel killed Charlie Kirk? How would I know that? There's no evidence for that. But how am I going to not report this fascinating background about where the conservative movement and the Republican party itself are going on the question of Israel, when I'm learning all of this after his death and there are so many unusual aspects to the investigation, so many mishaps by the FBI, and such strange behavior by the Israeli government, and Netanyahu himself, since Charlie Kirk's killing that it has fueled speculation by millions of people online that there may have been an Israeli role. I mean, why wouldn't they speculate when Israel seems to assassinate everyone that defies it in its own region and has even dispatched thousands of pagers to low-level Hezbollah members and their families to assassinate them?
It's something that we would expect in this atmosphere, but I am not making any direct claim that Israel assassinated him.
What I'm saying is I think they would have taken him out. The Israel lobby would have taken him out, for sure, but they would have prefer they would not do it need to do it physically. They could just defund him and then castigate him, as they're doing with figures like Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson, who have turned against them.
But so, this is just a fascinating look, and it won't be my last one at Charlie Kirk's final days and the political pressure he was under.

Chris Hedges: How much money was he getting, number one, and number two, can you talk about Netanyahu's reaction and his… —because you write about it in your piece— his interactions with Kirk?

Max Blumenthal: Well, this is something that was not known to the public and I hope to be able to report this out in greater detail. But I was told that by a friend of Kirk, someone close to Kirk who was speaking to them in his last days, that Netanyahu actually came in and personally offered to… like re-up Kirk's TPUSA organization with a massive infusion of Zionist money.
And his budget… all…, at its height, was something like $80 million. I mean, we're talking about a lot of money.
You just watch the Student Action Summit that became so controversial. There's nothing like it on the left or even within the Democratic Party's associated organizations. It's very flashy. Look at Charlie Kirk's final moments. I mean, it looked almost like he was running for president. It looked like a Trump rally. And look at the amount of… he had enormous amounts of former Navy SEALs and special forces guys around him, like executive security.
You have to have a lot of money for that.
So, you already had the money, but he was at the at risk of losing much of it. And Netanyahu comes in and says, basically, come to the dark side, stop talking about this, and we will take care of you. I will call my cutouts, and they'll have everything handled.
And Charlie Kirk refused. And what I'm learning is that was not the first time he refused someone close to Netanyahu in recent months, and it left him feeling cold and anxious, and even —in the words of the friend— frightened.
This is something that many… I've had some conversations with other influential people in the right-wing influencer world, since my piece came out, and basically, what they want me to know is that this is something they're all facing at all of the major right-wing media organizations associated with Trump that there is no space for them to criticize Israel. And… yeah, one figure I could point to, I've actually been on his podcast, he's one of the top right-wing podcasters. Like if you go to Rumble, which is sort of the YouTube alternative, because so many right-wing voices were being banned there, and even us, Chris, like more on the left, we get like demonetized, left and right, and suppressed.

Chris Hedges: Constantly, constantly.

Max Blumenthal: So, we've even turned to Rumble, but you go to Rumble, like Tim Pool, is one of the first, if he's live streaming, that comes up right away. And so, he gets enormous amounts of views, and I went on his show right after October 7th and he gave me the floor and let me speak my mind. Tim Pool was summoned to a meeting with Netanyahu during one of Netanyahu's visits under Trump's second term at the Blair House [official residence in Washington, D.C., used to host visiting dignitaries and guests of the president] where Netanyahu was staying with just a few other right-wing GOP-affiliated influencers, like media influencers, and he was not allowed to talk about what happened.
I think one of his co-hosts or guests brought up the meeting on his podcast and you could see he was extremely nervous, extremely anxious, and it's like: was he captured somehow by Netanyahu? I mean, the pressure that Netanyahu himself is personally bringing on the right-wing podcast world really shows his anxiety about the rebellion that's taking place among the youth.
And after my article came out, which got over 100,000 views, just unique views on our website, then I did an interview with Tim Dillon, who's a very popular comedian about this, which has erupted. It's like 600,000 views now, just exploding across social media as people were already talking about this issue. Netanyahu tweets, takes to Twitter X, for like the sixth or seventh time since Charlie Kirk's killing, to declare that “Charlie Kirk was a true friend of Israel” [13.09.2025, 7:34].

[Cf. aussi B. Netanyahu : Charlie Kirk was murdered for speaking truth and defending freedom. A lion-hearted friend of Israel, he fought the lies and stood tall for Judeo-Christian civilization. I spoke to him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel. Sadly, that visit will not take place. We lost an incredible human being. His boundless pride in America and his valiant belief in free speech will leave a lasting impact. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk - 11:21 p. m. · 10 sept. 2025]

And this time it felt like Netanyahu was overcompensating and was afraid of the truth getting out, which is that —as Charlie Kirk's longtime friend told me— Charlie Kirk had grown to hate Netanyahu, as every US leader has!
Remember the open mic, with Macron and Obama, where they're complain, the hot mic, like in 2012 or something, and they're complaining about Netanyahu and they're like you think you have trouble dealing with him, he calls me every day. That's where Charlie Kirk was, he thought he was a disgusting bully and manipulator. And so, Netanyahu is worried that Charlie Kirk's base posthumously will start to take on that sentiment towards him.
And you can see they're deploying Ben Shapiro everywhere they can.
Ben Shapiro is like the leading media asset for Netanyahu in the United States.
I feel… he just feels astroturf to me. He even jokes on Twitter about having six million followers, but he seems so sort of unlikable and talentless, and he's pushing a kind of form of warmed over softened Trumpism that just doesn't feel authentic.
And he was on Fox News with the other major Zionist enforcer in the media, who Netanyahu helped personally credit with convincing Trump to bomb Iran, Mark Levin, just days before Charlie Kirk's assassination. And they were complaining about Charlie Kirk alluding to him allowing Tucker Carlson on stage this summer and saying, "You can't have a big tent. You cannot allow these cooks in, and you can't be at the front of the church allowing a congregation of anti-Israel nut jobs into your realm.”
Then, Charlie Kirk goes to the front of the church 4 days later. A sniper bullet hits him in the neck, and Ben Shapiro comes out 24 hours later and says, "We need to go on our own campus tours and pick up the bloody microphone where Charlie Kirk left it."
The subtext is, "We're going to go on those campus tours and we're not going to allow this anti-Israel stuff to come into our ‘church’ anymore."

Chris Hedges: Let's talk a little bit about the ramifications of this. One of the things that we've seen over the last few months as the genocide, just as you said, across the political spectrum, becomes so repugnant, is Netanyahu's courting of kind of alternative media, almost never anymore even goes on mainstream media.

Max Blumenthal: Yeah. Great question. Netanyahu never goes on Israeli media like… he —and you know that from your years in the region and having Israeli sources— is that anyone who isn't Likud in Israel constantly complains that Netanyahu will never talk to Hebrew language media. Because he can't take a challenge. He wants to dominate and get his message across. And his message is best sent to Americans —as long as he can hold like his tiny, narrow edge in his coalition together— by keeping the genocide going and keeping the fascist messianic elements as his linchpin.
The Israeli public doesn't matter!
The hostages can all die!
What matters is keeping his direct line to Washington and to Trump. And the biggest challenge to that, once again, was Charlie Kirk. It was the conservative youth who are in this open rebellion against Israel. And so, on his last tour to the US, Netanyahu sat down with the Nelk Boys [a Canadian frat-bro YouTube crew turned Trump-adjacent merch empire. Their intro with Netanyahu: “I see so much about what’s going on Israel and Iran and Palestine. And to be honest, I just really don’t know what’s going on there. So, it’s going to be interesting to sit down with prime minister Netanyahu and get educated.” “We’re journalists right!?” Novara Media, Nelk Boys Reveal the Truth About Netanyahu Interview, 24.07.2025].
I wasn't that familiar with them because I have like an IQ higher than a grapefruit and they cater to a very low IQ audience, that likes pranks and frat boy kind of bawdy humor. And they themselves admitted, after the interview, which was like a softball interview, where they asked Netanyahu what do you like better McDonald's or Burger King?
And they admitted after the interview that, one, the questions were fed to them by Netanyahu's team; number two, they didn't know who Netanyahu was, and after learning about it from more educated members of their audience, they decided that he was the new Hitler, and they felt bad about interviewing the new Hitler. Netanyahu is carried out several interviews with basically the most vacuous podcasters in the US.
And why would you even agree to interview Netanyahu? I mean, of course, he's a world leader, so that you want the engagement. There must be some kind of financial incentive there.
And if the pro-Netanyahu elements in the US, fronted by Bari Weiss, paid for by David Ellison, the son of Oracle CIA contractor Larry Ellison, are going to buy CBS News and put Bari Weiss at the head of the editorial team, it's pretty clear what's going on. They're not in just in a seven-front war. They're in an eight-front war.
The United States is the eighth front and it's a hybrid war, mainly focused on propaganda, but, when that fails, they will escalate.

Chris Hedges: Let's talk about that, because since Kirk's assassination, we have seen in particular the Zionist lobby weaponize his murder to call for this “war against the radical left”. You had… is it Brian Mast [an American politician and U.S. military veteran who has served as the U.S. representative for Florida's 21st congressional district since 2017] has pushed a bill to authorize the Secretary of State to revoke passports to “kick out terrorist sympathizers out of the country”.

[“New Bill Would Give Marco Rubio “Thought Police” Power to Revoke U.S. Passports”, rsn.org, 13.09.2025 - Rubio has already sought to punish immigrants for speech. New legislation might let him do it for U.S. citizens]

This of course follows… [Sen.] Tom Cotton, in November 23, after the genocide had started after October 7th… “(…) demanded a Justice Department ‘national security investigation’” of news outlets such as AP [The Associated Press], CNN, New York Times, and Reuters for publishing photographers’ images of October 7th. They've weaponized… that it was fascinating as you have it, once this breach between Kirk and the Zionist and the Israel lobby; yet, at the same time, his assassination, his elevation to martyrdom is really being used by the Israeli lobby to go after everybody who not just criticizes Israel, but I think everyone on the left.

Max Blumenthal: Yeah. I mean, they see the left as the main base of BDS and elevating this issue to a national crisis… the left as their main target.
Netanyahu sees a marriage of radical leftism and Islam —what they would call… what David Horowitz called the Red-Green Alliance [l'Islamo-gauchisme de l'Hexagone]— as the main threat in the US.
And so, in his first Fox News appearance, before the suspect's identity, the main suspect being Tyler Robinson, was even known, Netanyahu blamed Muslims. He blamed radical Islam for doing this —the same way that he declared in comments to Maariv, or reported in the Israeli paper Maariv in 2008, that 9/11 was good for Israel. [Cf. The 4th Media - The Electronic Intifada, 11.09.2012 - Democracy now!, 17.04.2008]
If Muslims could be found to be responsible, well, that's good for Israel. It's also good for the GOP. The Utah governor [Spencer Cox] openly declared during a press conference that he was praying that the culprit would be a foreigner and not one of our own guys, meaning Tyler Robinson of Utah.

[“For 33 hours, I was … I was praying that if this had to happen here, that it wouldn’t be one of us. That somebody drove from another state, somebody came from another country,” he said. “Sadly, that prayer was not answered the way I hoped for. Just because I thought it would make it easier on us if we could just say ‘Hey, we don’t do that here.’”]

I mean, he just openly admitted it standing right in front of Kash Patel, an immigrant from India [he was born in Garden City, NY], the FBI director, who looked kind of uncomfortable in that position.
The identity of the killer and the motive was determined before Charlie Kirk's body went cold. And the agenda was already there the same way that the Patriot Act had already been assembled prior to 9/11, 2001. And it is an agenda of mass repression, crushing dissent, basically criminalizing what they consider anti-Israel activity.
And we've seen this week with Brian Mast's bill, which is basically Israel's agenda to strip Americans of citizenship if they're accused of providing material support, which can be anything, to Iran and Israel's enemies.

Chris Hedges: Sorry, just to interrupt, Max, people who have provided legal advice to groups are accused of providing material support to terrorist groups.

Max Blumenthal: Yes. Okay. And there is no due process for them under this bill.
Normally, it would go to a court. In this case, it's the authority, it's left up to the exclusive authority of the Secretary of State, someone created by the Israel lobby, basically an AIPAC plant, Marco Rubio.
And where is Marco Rubio right now? Marco Rubio is kissing the wall. Right now, he's leaving the Kotel in the old city of Jerusalem, where he was forced into… he had to carry out this humiliation ritual that every US politician, who wants to rise, does, where they have put on a kippa and Netanyahu takes them to the Western Wall, and they have to basically kiss the wall.
It's like up against the wall, motherfucker, do you want to be a politician?
And he's there with Mike Huckabee, the Christian Zionist, who really believes in that stuff [« Il y a 4 000 ans, ici, dans cette ville, sur le mont Moriah, Dieu a choisi son peuple. Il a non seulement choisi un peuple, mais aussi un lieu, puis il a donné un but à ce peuple. Ce peuple était le peuple juif. Ce lieu était Israël, et le but était d'être une lumière pour le monde », déclara-t-il avant hier], who is basically managing, he's the US wing of genocide management in Gaza right now, overseeing the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation's starvation siege.
It's just a shocking display to witness.
And then, back home, you have Steven Miller, who himself is an arch Zionist who is running the entire agenda for Donald Trump right now. He's sort of the Rovian brains behind this authoritarian crackdown that they want to implement. Telling Sean Hannity [an American conservative TV host, radio personality and writer; cf. The Sean Hannity Show] that we will put you into exile and we will take away your freedoms if you minimize Charlie Kirk's death. “We will put you into exile”: What does that mean? It means taking away your citizenship. This is what they want to do. It's on the table. It's playing out on social media, in a vigilante fashion, where… it's like a site like Charlie's murderers.com is doxing thousands and thousands of Americans, not only for celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, which I personally found like just deeply antisocial to be a form of antisocial behavior that just shows a kind of lack of humanity, but also minimizing his death, or calling him a racist, or you putting his views in context, and they're losing their jobs.
It's a dystopian scenario.
The right-wing is playing cancel culture to the extreme, but it's playing to win, unlike the left, which was sort of just trying to enforce a very narrow moral code by getting people cancelled, or going after people in the media, within their own media organizations and so on.
The right is playing to win. They want to fully isolate dissent, left-wing dissent from society, and they're exploiting this in a way that raises a lot of questions before we… there's been no full investigation of this shooting yet.
Tyler Robinson is not cooperating.
I haven't seen the confession.
Apparently, everyone close to him is cooperating. We don't have the information, but they don't care. They want to ram through this agenda, which totally dovetails with what they've been doing with ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement].
ICE isn't just about immigration. It's about normalizing secret police in our society that violate people's fourth and sixth amendment rights and are able to essentially kidnap anyone who is a resident in the US and take them to de facto concentration camps.
And the budget, Trump's big, beautiful bill, has put these secret police on hyperdrive.
The kidnapping of Latinos who are suspected of being undocumented migrants is a pilot program for a larger agenda.

Chris Hedges: Yeah, without question, and of course, the expansion of these detention centers are regionally going to have, in essence, de facto concentration camps dotted throughout the United States. What do you expect to see coming? Now, they've gone after George Soros. The insanity of it, but what are we going to see in terms of their game plan, over the next few weeks and months?

Max Blumenthal: Well, I mean, I hate George Soros and what he's done across the world is malign. I mean, he's a CIA-adjacent anti-communist billionaire.

Chris Hedges: Well, let me let me just interrupt, Max. I mean George Soros did exactly what the [US]AID democracy initiatives did, which is crush any kind of popular or resistance movements. I mean, that's the kind of final irony but… yeah.

Max Blumenthal: Exactly, and this relates to a wider conversation, I think, about the left, the post-BLM [Black Lives Matter] left, is the role of foundation money in the left.
I know Christian Parenti [an American investigative journalist, academic, and author] is working on a book about this, how this foundation money from the Ford Foundation, Open Societies, was basically used to suppress and sort of neutralize anti-war and class-based activism within the left and get people more focused on issues that didn't threaten the Democratic Party, which was controlled by the rich, like anti-racism. Not understanding the racialized roots of poverty, but just this vague concept of anti-racism and all of these other social issues.
It's a sort of separate conversation, but where I think things are going in this country is very dark and recalls the Years of Lead [Anni di Piombo] in Italy. [Cf. Davide Carrozza]
The Years of Lead were driven by or punctuated and accelerated by political terrorism and political assassination.
It was a strategy of tension, which was being orchestrated by the intelligence services, not just the Italian intelligence services, that were affiliated with NATO.
The CIA was involved, and Israeli intelligence may have been involved as well in the killing of Aldo Moro, the Italian prime minister.
So, let's consider the 1969 Milan Café bombing, Piazza Fontana bombing.
This was like what launched the years of lead, and it was a false-flag operation that was carried out by stay behind armies recruited by the CIA under Operation [Operazione] Gladio from far-right fascist groups, which would have collaborated with Hitler during his occupation of Italy, as well as like they were also recruiting within the mafia, and it was blamed on left-wing anarchists.
That's not what I'm saying happened here. I'm just trying to make a larger point. The reason that the security services did this was they feared… they actually did fear in some way far-right fascism, but their primary concern was communism and leftism in general.
And they felt like, if the situation became destabilized and the public became afraid, they would adhere to the security state's agenda, which was in that case pro-NATO.
I also mentioned the kidnapping and killing of Aldo Moro.
Aldo Moro was the last of a kind in Italian politics.
1978, he was kidnapped by the Red Brigades [Brigate Rosse] and it began… it really accelerated the social unrest and fear that the middle-class Italian public felt after following like Gladio and everything.
And he was held for days by the Red Brigades. They put him on a mock trial, and then, after killing his security team and kidnapping him during like… with his motorcade, and they accused him of selling out the working class and making Italy an imperialist state.
But historians have looked back at what Moro was doing and seen that he was actually privately allowing arms to pass through Italy to Palestinian resistance groups, that he was taking a very… not necessarily friendly stance toward Israel, that he was a friend of unions and working-class syndicates, and that the Red Brigades had actually, I mean, this is confirmed, the Red Brigades had been infiltrated heavily by the intelligence services. Many suspect the Israeli intelligence service.
And it crushed the national unity government and actually moved Italy further to the right to the point where now Giorgia Meloni… Giorgia Meloni sort of reflects this legacy, as this right-wing leader.
So, the strategy of tension in the US has been building since 2020. And I can point to one incident, then, that I think is a perfect microcosm of what I'm talking about.
Kenosha, Wisconsin: the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting, which is poorly understood by people on the left who supported BLM.
Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in a vigilante fashion to guard local business with his weapon out, along with other local men, from looters and rioters who were destroying local businesses, in a completely nihilistic fashion. A group of pro-BLM marchers was marching around, soon after looting. They were not smashing up businesses. They were just marching randomly.
And their own crowd had been seeded with people who had never protested before, one of whom was a local mental patient, a young man who had just been let out, mysteriously, of a local mental hospital and dropped off at their demonstration by police.
The police directed the marchers directly to where Kyle Rittenhouse and his group of vigilantes were, and several of the marchers began physically attacking Kyle Rittenhouse. One pulled a pistol on him. Kyle Rittenhouse shot them. He also shot the young man who had been a mental patient.
And this inflamed racial hatred across the United States, as Kyle Rittenhouse was actually accused of going across state lines to hunt down black people.
The police had no reason to push the crowd and direct them to where Kyle Rittenhouse was, except to inflame that conflict. Do I know that there was some higher order there? No. But this was what I was seeing in my own… just being out there in the country at the time. And it was also at a time when COVID was beginning to grip the country and the unvaccinated were being pitted against the vaccinated.
We're just constantly being pitted against each other, by narratives that come from the top.
And that is where Trump wants this to go, because Trump has promised a new golden age for the 1%.
It's not for the rest of us. And the 1% has been terrified. Not just since… the Charlie Kirk shooting is primarily terrifying the podcaster class. Since the shooting of… I think his name was Brian [Thompson], the United Healthcare CEO by Luigi Mangione.
Steve Bannon, former Trump chief of staff, gave a talk to a group of financial elites and tech elites. I believe it was in Silicon Valley. Many of them were not Republicans. And he said, "Here is our promise to you. Here's why…" —this was like, I think at the beginning of the second Trump term. He said, "This is why you should support MAGA, because this guy, Luigi Mangione, went out and shot one of you. This is going to happen more and more, we are entering a period of social unrest and social turmoil, and we will protect you."
So, what we are going to see now is a policy crafted for the elite, that is terrified of this environment, and, at the same time, a policy to drive us, the rest of us, who have nothing, who are in debt, who don't really see much of a financial future in the US. They're going to pit us all against each other, through a strategy of tension, and then repress us all, and let us say whatever we want online. We won't be banned anymore. We can say whatever we want on Elon's Twitter/X. We have freedom of speech: as he said, we have freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.
And that freedom of speech will be used to surveil us further and ruin our lives if we are provoked into saying the wrong things.

Chris Hedges: What kind of infrastructure do you foresee, in terms of… I mean, we've already seen the capitulation of universities, even the capitulation of mainstream media organizations, such as CNN… What's the landscape going to look like? How is it going to be deformed?

Max Blumenthal: It's going to look a lot like the McCarthy era, and it’s been a major inspiration to the Right. We've seen right-wing organizations like… what was it? CPAC [The Conservative Political Action Conference is an annual political conference attended by conservative activists and officials from across the U.S. and hosted by the American Conservative Union (ACU). The first CPAC took place in 1974. Ronald Reagan gave the inaugural keynote speech that first year], I think, was giving out like young McCarthy awards, back during the mid 2000s. Steven Miller, I think, sees McCarthy as sort of a hero. And so, what has the Trump administration done? They have gotten UC Berkeley to furnish a list of 160 anti-Israel, ‘anti-Semitic’ professors, with Professor Judith Butler at the top of it. [Cf. Sam Levin, The Guardian, Los Angeles, 12.09.2025]:

UC Berkeley shares 160 names with Trump administration in ‘McCarthy era’ move
Prominent professor Judith Butler among students and faculty investigated for ‘alleged antisemitic incidents’
PHOTO.
Judith Butler receives the gold medal of the Círculo de Bellas Artes, on 27 October 2022 in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Europa Press News/Europa Press/Getty Images

That's what we're seeing, along with the defunding of universities for allowing Students for Justice in Palestine to exist, for allowing protests on their campus. It's the biggest free speech crackdown possibly since the McCarthy era, certainly the most transparent one.
And it's being conducted in many cases on behalf of a foreign apartheid state. There's now a lot of grassroots calls… I see online for a Charlie Kirk Act.
Remember, this is something the Right always does is they name an act after a martyr of their culture Kampf, their culture war.
They had the Laken Riley Act [Trump signed the Laken Riley Act into law on January 29, 2025], a woman who was murdered by a Venezuelan migrant. And the Laken Riley Act was an attack on due process, and it allows as to report any migrant who we may suspect of a crime and requires law enforcement to jail them and sequester them from society without any due process, which is unconstitutional.
The Charlie Kirk Act that's being pushed online is an attack on media independence and will do a lot of what the Biden administration was doing to online media, which is to censor and punish any media organization or individual who's accused of mis- or disinformation.
And so, the Right is basically picking up where the Biden administration left off, just directing it against their enemies.
I don't think that will be the form that such an act takes, but I expect some kind of Charlie Kirk Act to take place [or a 'Charlie Kirk Remembrance Day' even on October 14th, George Floyd's birthday]. I expect the investigation that the FBI is carrying out to be incomplete, just as the investigation of the young man who shot Donald Trump, what was his name? Matthew… [Thomas Matthew Crooks] the Butler shooting, the Butler PA [Pennsylvania] shooting, it feels like that was shut down.
Ryan Routh, the would-be shooter at Mar-a-Lago, who was recruiting for the Ukrainian Foreign Legion in Kiev and who had had meetings on Capitol Hill, we don't hear about that anymore.
So, I expect them to try to sort of bury any uncomfortable or inconvenient facts there.
And then, finally, I think there will be a push to label Antifa as a terrorist organization. [Tu avais tout à fait raison, Max ! « a major one ! »] The same way that the British state and British intelligence have labeled Palestine Action, an anti-war group that has never harmed a single person, which was carrying out direct action against Israeli defense facilities, has been prescribed as a terrorist organization in the UK —which means that you are not allowed in the UK to declare your support on a t-shirt for Palestine Action without being jailed for supporting terrorism.
And the difference there, though, is that Palestine Action is a real organization.
It was sort of an amorphous organization, but it had a brand. Antifa is not. And we don't even know what Antifa is. And Antifa is something that, as you wrote in a piece that I think really stands the test of time about black block, an aspect of Antifa back during Occupy Wall Street, is easily and constantly and comprehensively infiltrated by federal law enforcement.
It's basically one of… they're basically a chaos agent for federal law enforcement. But they're not a real organization, you can't determine who's a member of it, except through... what? bullet engravings or t-shirts…?
And so, if Antifa is prescribed as a terrorist organization in the US, it pretty much allows anyone on the left who gets involved in direct action or protest activity to be labeled as a terrorist as well.

Chris Hedges: I just want to throw in Ellen W. Schrecker, who did all the great work on McCarthyism, No Ivory Tower, [Oxford University Press, New York, 1986], her books and etc.
So, she says this period is worse than McCarthy, because there you saw blacklists and people being pushed out of schools and universities. The FBI actually used to show up at high schools with lists. But she said here, they're capturing institutions.

Max Blumenthal: That's right. It is a march through institutions, and they're also just simply eliminating institutions as well that can't be captured.

Chris Hedges: All right, thanks. That was Max Blumenthal. Check out his great work on The Grayzone. And thanks to Sofia [Menemenlis], Diego [Ramos], Thomas [Hedges], and Max, who produce the show. You can find me at chrishedges.substack.com.

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Mise à jour du 23/09/2025 :

Après avoir fait ma laborieuse transcription, j'ai vu que Chris Hedges a sous-titré ici son entretien avec Max Blumenthal.
Et, comme prévu, je vois que Max Blumenthal donne suite à ses recherches en cette matière :

Top pro-Israel TPUSA donor terminated support for Kirk in days before death, sources say

By Max Blumenthal. THE GRAYZONE - SEP 23, 2025.

Ultra-Zionist billionaire Robert Shillman was one of Charlie Kirk’s most committed donors. But as Kirk fell under attack for his increasingly critical Israel views during his final weeks, sources say Shillman ended funding for TPUSA.

As his campus tour approached, Kirk was subjected to an “almost daily” lobbying campaign from Netanyahu’s allies.

The Turning Point USA campus in Phoenix, Arizona is the house that Charlie Kirk built. Consisting of six sterile, two-floor office buildings, the campus is itself a tribute to the ultra-wealthy donors who placed the 31-year-old Kirk at the helm of a political empire whose combined annual assets exceeded the municipal budget of a typical small American city.
At the front of the TPUSA complex is the Bill and Rebecca Dunn Freedom Center, named for the late commodity trader Bill Dunn. Adjacent buildings feature plaques commemorating the mega-donors who have fueled the rise of the conservative movement, from the Uhline family to the Koch Brothers to evangelical Christian asset manager Foster Friess.
Catty-corner from the Freedom Center is the Pearson Building. According to a TPUSA insider, this structure was to be emblazoned with the name of one of Kirk’s largest and most committed backers, the tech mogul Robert Shillman. A pre-eminent funder of right-wing Zionist and anti-Muslim causes across the Atlantic, Shillman’s millions helped transform Kirk from a young age into one of Israel’s most effective gentile assets.
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Mise à jour du 29/09/2025 :

George Galloway - MOATS, INTERVIEW avec Jackson Hinkle [analyste politique et animateur de 'Legitimate Targets' (Cibles légitimes)]: We're being fed a bunch of lies about Charlie Kirk, [On nous inflige un tas de mensonges sur Charlie Kirk], 28.09.2025.

The bullet the FBI claims hit Kirk is for grizzlies or a family of elks, producing catastrophic results. But no Kirk exit wound. No recovered round. No autopsy. Just move along now.
La balle qui, selon le FBI, a touché Kirk est destinée à des grizzlis ou à une famille d'élans, avec des conséquences catastrophiques. Mais Kirk n'a pas laissé de trace de blessure. Aucune balle récupérée. Aucune autopsie. Passez votre chemin. [Attention surtout à ce que Galloway et Hinkle discutent à propos de l'assassinat de Kirk et au sujet de la guerre OTAN-Russie se déroulant sur la terre exsangue de l'Ukraine et sur les corps de Russes et d'Ukrainiens.]

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TRANSCRIPTION (Les erreurs, coquilles, couleurs, liens et contenus entre crochets sont de mon cru) :

George Galloway: Jackson Hinkle joins me as my first guest this evening. He's the smartest 23-year-old I have ever met. And I include myself at the age of 23. And I was pretty smart.
Jackson Hinkle, US-based political analyst, host of the unmissable legitimate targets.
Before I hear from you, Jackson, amongst the many whimsies which constituted 4 hours of interrogation for me in which not a single substantive question was asked, not a question about anything I had done, said, written, read, or any person I'd been in the proximity of, not one.
But there was a question about Jackson Hinkle. They're mighty interested. And so, they should be… the whole world should be interested in Jackson Hinkle's views.

[George Galloway was detained with his wife at Gatwick airport under Terrorism Act.
Former MP George Galloway has announced he will pursue legal action against the Metropolitan Police and other bodies after being detained at Gatwick Airport on Saturday.
The 71-year-old and his wife, Putri Gayatri Pertiwi, were both held under Schedule 3 of the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Act after flying back from Russia via Abu Dhabi.]

Jackson, I don't know where to start, touring the horizon. Let's start with Netanyahu's disastrous trip to the rostrum, in the UN General Assembly in New York. It bombed, if you'll forgive the pun.

Jackson Hinkle: It definitely did. I first want to say thank you so much for having me on your show again, and I am very happy to have you doing this show tonight as a free man. You and Gayatri being so criminally treated by this government that will gladly welcome the former AQ [al-Qaeda] leader. I'm not going to say the exact word because I don't want to get banned on YouTube for you. But you all know what Mr. Golani was doing in Syria and Iraq before he was the president of Syria.
So, you have the Defence minister of the UK, who's welcoming this terrorist into your country and giving him the royal treatment. You've got meetings with the Israeli genocidal president at 10 Downing Street.
But if you stand up for Palestine, if you stand against the lies that are being pushed about Russia, if you stand for truth in the development of China, then I guess you will be detained in the UK. You'll be charged. You'll be detained under a terrorism act.
This is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard of.
So, I'm very happy to have you free and Gayatry free.
And as for the events at the United Nations, I can't say that I'm surprised, because this is exactly how the world should be reacting when a genocide is taking place. A lot of people seem shocked by this and the mainstream media, but I think average people like you and me, we look at this and we say, "Well, what other response would there be? Why would you entertain this genocidal lunatic as he continues his rampage at the United Nations?
He walks out there with this big lapel pin thing he had on a giant QR code.
He looks ridiculous. His speech was even more ridiculous.
You said he had a Keir Starmer moment. I say he has a Jeb Bush moment, telling the crowd, his own paid actors in the crowd, in the audience, to laugh and clap for him.
But it really shows the state of affairs right now. The world doesn't stand with Israel. The United States Congress does, and they'll give him a standing ovation every 50 seconds, but the world does not stand and will not entertain this madness any longer.

George Galloway: The Flotilla of Gallant siege breakers from many countries and dozens of ships, maybe scores of ships by now, throughout a media blackout, are steadily making their way to Gaza. And they have now been joined by an Italian warship [deux, en fait] and a Spanish warship, because both of these countries have a substantial number of nationals on board whose lives are at risk from the already begun constant drone attacks on the flotilla of peaceful people bringing aid to a starving and destitute people.
The Italian government had to be forced to do this by widespread labour unrest in the docks, by mass civil actions and protests on the streets of Italy.
The Spanish government, well in advance of the Italian, has also decided to send a warship.
This means, Jackson, if Israel attacks the flotilla, these warships will become engaged, and if they do, if Israel fires on NATO warships from Italy and Spain, an article-5 moment will have arisen and NATO will be honour-bound, if not treaty-bound, to come to the rescue of the Italian and Spanish naval forces. [Ce sont des bateaux non vraiment armés et par ailleurs, l'OTAN n'y ferait rien ; il y a bien eu d'autres attaques pirates d'Israël en Méditerranée contre des bateaux appartenant à des pays de l'OTAN]
This story is sailing towards a very, very big conclusion, don't you think?

Jackson Hinkle: I do. And I wonder how far those naval vessels are actually going to join along with the Global Summud Flotilla, whether they're going to try and actually get that flotilla all the way to Gaza and get the aid into Gaza for the first time. This would be the success of an operation of this kind.
So, we'll see how far they go. Greece, their navy, has also notably said that they will ensure the safe passage of the flotilla onward to Gaza.
So, that's a third country that's come out. But I think the important point here is just how serious countries are taking the aggression from Israel against these peace activists, who are not armed. They're on like sailboats.
They have aid. I guess that's a weapon against Israel: aid is a weapon.
And Italy won't even recognize a Palestinian state. Italy is still supplying defensive weapons, as they call them, to the Zionist entity to carry out this genocide.
But Italy understands that Israel is so deranged that they actually might in fact try to sink these ships or take out the people on the ships.
And this is something Israel has denied doing. They said, "We didn't launch any drones. We didn't do any chemical attacks on the people on these boats."
But they were actually debunked by the US special envoy Tom Barrack, who came out and said that Israel has committed attacks in Tunisian waters over the past few weeks. [Ten things Tom Barrack said in wild interview on Israel, Lebanon, and Muslims, MEE, 23.09.2025]
So, Israel is doing this. Everyone is very concerned. I'll say nod of the head to Italy, but a bigger salute to Spain, because Spain is really sticking their necks out. The prime minister Pedro Sanchez, he's not perfect, he's not good on Russia, as I understand, but, when it comes to this issue, where we have so few voices in the West, who are actually doing anything, he is really sticking his neck out to try and show the world that there's some dignity left in Western countries.

George Galloway: Amen to that. Now, not unadjacent to this discussion so far is the ongoing crisis around the murder in plain sight, in broad daylight of the Turning Point USA founder and star Charlie Kirk.
I've never seen an official narrative die so quickly and so completely comprehensively, almost embarrassing to recall that, just a week ago, we were told this trans activist on a roof, with a World War I rifle, took out with perfect accuracy the jugular vein of a man 150 yards away and that nobody else was involved despite the decoys, despite the reported drone own activity around the arena, despite the audio and visual evidence, to the contrary, despite the extraordinary conduct of the post crime scrub of evidence; despite the lack of an inquest, the lack of any involvement of the coroner, that we were asked to believe that story. But nobody in America now believes it, do they?

Jackson Hinkle: No, no one believes it. Even at the funeral service of Charlie Kirk, you had announcers there from the Trump sanctioned media outlets on the right wing, that were very close with Charlie Kirk, and the announcers who were all very, very good friends with Charlie and worked with him for years for this media network, they were saying things like “I don't believe the official story”.
None of us up here believe the official FBI narrative. We were speaking with thousands of people in the crowd waiting to come into the funeral. They don't believe the official story…
You don't even have to look at any of the other evidence. All you have to look at is the claim that a 30 odd six round was allegedly the round that was used to assassinate Charlie Kirk.
This is a round for people who don't know that hunters use to hunt elk and moose. And if you shoot it through a moose, it'll go through and hit another moose behind it and go through that moose.
They use this to shoot grizzly bears.
But they're telling us that… it didn't… it hypothetically… if this really was a 30 odd six that it didn't completely blow off the head of Charlie Kirk, not to get too detailed here, but that's what it would have done.
At least, there would have been an exit wound, but they're telling us there's no exit wound.
We have to believe whatever they say, because they won't show us any autopsy report.
There are some conflicting reports over whether an autopsy even happened.
There was an FBI or police dispatch, from the local police department, which said that no autopsy happened. That hasn't been confirmed, but in the state of Utah, autopsies are legally mandated for murder victims.
So, there's so much to unpack here. I think we all need to come together and just admit that this is a cover up. The official story doesn't add up. This was some sort of a conspiratorial operation that was undertaken to kill Charlie Kirk.
And beyond that, we're not going to get the truth —at least not for another 50 or 100 years, because, right now, the powers that be are mudding the waters, they're filling the internet and social media with tons of crazy different theories that really hold no weight, but they're trying to make everyone crazy looking at a hundred different things, when the truth is the only thing we should be focused on is that we're getting fed a bunch of lies.

George Galloway: Now, finally, Jackson, I'm grateful always for your time.
Well, two things, actually, if I may.
Does the Democratic Party still exist in the United States? Does it have a leader? I haven't heard anything from them or about them. I mean, say what you like about Trump… he certainly fills the vacuum, he certainly fills all available political space. But I have no idea who is currently in charge of the Democrats. Have they warmed themselves up?

Jackson Hinkle: I think the de facto leader of the Democratic party right now is Gavin Newsome. And pending there's no accusations thrown his way over the next three years, I think that he'll probably be the nominee for the Democratic party. He's not particularly popular, but he's a clean-cut politician. He's a Robert Redford type, maybe he's got the good look, he's got the swag, and he can win the hearts and minds of middle-aged white women all across America. I think that's what the Democratic party is banking on.
But I don't think that's enough. I think people… their eyes have been open to what's going on in this world. And it's not as simple as that anymore.
You actually have to… at least lie to people that you're going to fix some of these problems that are going on, which is what Trump did. But we all see how far that got us with Donald Trump in the White House.

George Galloway: So, finally, the last thing. Quoting or miscuing or paraphrasing Oscar Wilde, Trump definitely bears the impression of the last person to sit upon him, like the proverbial sofa. And it was bad luck in a way that —for those of us who want to see an end to the NATO-Russia war—, it was bad luck that Zelenskyy caught him on a day when he could well and truly impress him. And suddenly, the little dictator, who had no cards, who was risking World War III, and who may very well be a thief, has become a heroic figure, who can have all the weapons that NATO is prepared to pay for. Is that what happened?

Jackson Hinkle: Yes. Before Trump was even elected, I think a lot of us predicted that he would give some half measure peace deal to the Russians. Russians wouldn't accept that. He'd get very upset, and Western escalation would materialize under Trump administration, if he was elected.
And that's kind of what we're seeing now. But I think the more important aspect here is that this is all about making sure that Europe is as dependent as possible on US oil and gas, as well as US controlled supply chains all across the world.
If you look at what Trump's saying when he spoke to the coalition of the willing, as they call themselves, he said, “I think you should really back off the purchases of Russian oil —the refined petroleum that comes through India—, you should back off that and the gas that Hungary and Slovakia are still taking."
Well, why is he saying that?
Because he wants Europe to buy American goods.
In the same week, we saw that Brussels told Poland to cut off the border with Belarus. That is the main trade artery for Chinese goods into the European Union.
Now, as I understand that might be up in the air right now as to whether or not that border still closed, but you can see what's happening here. Trump is trying to pressure Europe into a position where they will be weak, bogged down, fighting Russia. The US doesn't have to get directly involved, and Europe will become another weak proxy that the US will inevitably make a lot of money of it.